As long as the liberals are all violently intolerant of any opinion, thought, belief, creed or idolatry then their own, I supposed it's alright. Dear me this cartoon could be in the Iranian press. Kudos.
Dav Lev Fri. Dec 5, 2008
I an an American born proud Zionist Jew (both parents Jewish). I want Israel AND the Jewish people to thrive and survive. Isn't it amazing that out of 19m Indians in the former Bombay, 9 Jews were singled out at Chabad for extermination, which was carried out successfully? In 1938 Germany's Jewish community of 500,000 was also singled out Is there a connection? In Granada Hills, Cal., a Jewish community center was singled out by a white racist. Is there a connection? I voted for McCain for many reasons, including my concern that Obama didn't vote yes in defining the Revolutionary Guards (Iran). A Hebron protestor said, "We are not Christians, we don't turn th eother cheek". Let me say this, Christians have NEVER TURNED THE OTHER CHEEK. Chabad, to be frank, is a cult. Satmar doesn't support Israel's existence., but for which they too would be singled out. We are stuck with Barack..and will rue the day we gave his campaign money, Florida, New York and California.
Jeff Eyges Fri. Dec 5, 2008
Fabulous! Each panel truer than the previous one. I think this is your best one yet, Eli!
Of course, the Republicans are waiting in the green room to tell us that this is the end of American support for Israel, accompanied by the frummies, who can't wait to point out what a shander and a chillul HaShem this is, and that Obama is the reincarnation of Hitler, Amalek and Haman all rolled into one.
Three, two, one...
erin Fri. Dec 5, 2008
e to the v,
Lerve the comic. I especially like the Archies' cameo. Though I was always a Betty.
erin
eli Fri. Dec 5, 2008
I voted against Obama in previous Illinois elections, as well as this one, because of the hate, racism and anti-Semitism from Obama's friend Rev. Wright and the church which Obama attended. Obama did not denounce it or end his ties until political pressures forced him to. Hopefully his presidency will show better judgement than 20 years of staying with Wright.
I wonder, do the cartoons seem to be filled with prejudices and stereotypes? Would it be OK if they were drawn by a non-Jew? For the record, I am not Orthodox.
Arthur Cohn Fri. Dec 5, 2008
This is a hateful cartoon. It is extremely prejudicial. It is contemptable!
Abe Bucksner Fri. Dec 5, 2008
GOP woes start with W.
All the smart Republicans are working hard to explain the reason they lost everything.I have read and listened to most of them, and they all say great things.
In my opinion, there is only one reason they lost so big. That is George W. Bush. We have had eight years of the worse president in memory, and hopefully we will begin to see better times under President Barack Obama.
Ted Gruen Sat. Dec 6, 2008
From certain negative, gloating invective posted as responses to a comment I left earlier about how the Forward had published grist for the anti-Semitic caricature mill that dominates much of the world press, I gather that such people 1) are either willfully ignorant of how widely anti-Semitic caricatures circulate or mistakenly believe that they and their children are forever comfortably immune here in the USA from their inevitably bad long-term effects on Jewish life, and 2) believe that it is a thought crime to either be an orthodox Jew ("frum"; which I decidedly am not) or to voice an opinion with reference to a sad lesson in Jewish history which ought best to be remembered, especially in Jewish terms ("sinus hinnom"). Such "frummies" as may publish derogatory caricatures of their fellow Jews (not that I've ever seen any) are equally as guilty of the baseless hatred that is at the core of this decidedly un-funny cartoonist's outlook, but that is all the more reason for those who claim the moral high ground to better themselves and the life of their fellow Jews by not engaging in such sneering sarcasm (another no-no we all swear off every Yom Kippur.)
Ted Gruen Sat. Dec 6, 2008
What goes around comes around. The nasty caricatures used by this one Jew to illustrate his contempt for Jewish supporters of John McCain will soon be added to the stock of anti-Semitic caricatures used all over the world by officially-sanctioned media. Not that our 'see no evil' liberal press will tell us about it when it happens, any more than they worry about Obama's opening to Syria, which is a place which sponsors terrorism and where anti-Semitic caricatures appear every day in the press and online. Would Mr. Valley have gotten published in the Forward if, for example, he had portrayed Jews as doomed for the same kind of baseless hatred among themselves (sinus hinnom) now as led to the destruction of the last Temple?
Jeff Eyges Sat. Dec 6, 2008
DK, it's only loshon hara when it's directed against other frum Jews.
Jeff Eyges Sat. Dec 6, 2008
Did I call this or what?
Do you proud conservatives even try to understand the nuanced meanings - or is shooting from the hip the only thing you're good at?
DK Sat. Dec 6, 2008
"The nasty caricatures used by this one Jew to illustrate his contempt for Jewish supporters of John McCain will soon be added to the stock of anti-Semitic caricatures used all over the world by officially-sanctioned media."
And what of the nasty caricatures depicted by the frummies of their liberal co-religionists and of our president-elect? Those are okay, right?
DK Sun. Dec 7, 2008
Ted Gruen, the warning against sinas chinum may actually be referencing excessive hatred-- or perhaps, contempt-of gentiles, and be a stealth attack at both the Zealots and the radical and tyrannical Hasmoneans, who destroyed the checks and balance system. I realize this phrase is often considered a call for Jewish unity and such, but if we look at the context of the 2nd Israelite commonwealth, there was a lot of excessive rebellion, or at least, excessive aspects to rebellion, including forced conversions, an unnecessary invitation for Rome to come in and replace the Greek base, and the devastating Bar Kochba rebellion, which no less than Rabbi Akiva endorsed. More pertinent, it appears that perhaps it his followers died in the rebellion. And this may be eluded to by the claim that they died from a plague. The plague of sinas chinum was an unrealistic anger at the colonial power -- not towards each other. This is also eluded to in the Hagaddah, when Rabbi Akiva did not realize it was time for the morning shema. Why did he not know it was morning? Because he and others were in hiding form the Roman authorities.
I would note that the sages condemned all the activities I just listed.
DK Sun. Dec 7, 2008
Ted Gruen, the warning against sinas chinum may actually be referencing excessive hatred-- or perhaps, contempt-of gentiles, and be a stealth attack at both the Zealots and the radical and tyrannical Hasmoneans, who destroyed the checks and balance system. I realize this phrase is often considered a call for Jewish unity and such, but if we look at the context of the 2nd Israelite commonwealth, there was a lot of excessive rebellion, or at least, excessive aspects to rebellion, including forced conversions, an unnecessary invitation for Rome to come in and replace the Greek base, and the devastating Bar Kochba rebellion, which no less than Rabbi Akiva endorsed. More pertinent, it appears that perhaps it his followers died in the rebellion. And this may be eluded to by the claim that they died from a plague. The plague of sinas chinum was an unrealistic anger at the colonial power -- not towards each other. This is also eluded to in the Hagaddah, when Rabbi Akiva did not realize it was time for the morning shema. Why did he not know it was morning? Because he and others were in hiding form the Roman authorities.
I would note that the sages condemned all the activities I just listed.
Louie Sun. Dec 7, 2008
From Jonathan Tobin's newly minted article in the Forward:
"In a post-election Internet posting, M.J. Rosenberg of the Israel Policy Forum neatly summed up the sentiments of the Jewish left.
Responding to rattlings on the Web that Rahm Emanuel, President-elect Barack Obama’s future chief of staff, might be, as Rosenberg put it, “an AIPAC stooge, Likudnik, or whatever,” the IPF’s director of policy analysis set them straight.
Emanuel, Rosenberg wrote, is no right-winger. More to the point, Rosenberg eagerly predicted that Emanuel would “be the one encouraging Obama to go for an Israeli-Palestinian deal the first year. And, when the rightwing Jews complain, he’ll tell them to stick it up their ass.”
Yeah, let's have guys like Rosenberg lead the Jewish community----not.
Joseph Hertzlinger Mon. Dec 8, 2008
I suspect that the apparent unanimity of the pro-choice position on abortion among non-Orthodox Jews is due to pro-lifers either converting out or becoming Orthodox.
IMHO, converting out is a very bad option. Mainstream Protestantism is almost as lock-step as non-Orthodox Judaism, evangelical Protestantism frequently includes Biblical literalism (it's hard for a pro-lifer to believe in a literal interpretation of Exodus 21:22-25), and the Roman Catholic Church recommends "Natural Family Planning" (also known as the "rhythm method") which might work by killing embryos.
Clearly, "fetus fanatics" should look for a religion that opposes the rhythm method, for example, Judaism. If Jews who converted out all came back, the political demographics would look much different.
rheller Tue. Dec 9, 2008
The cartoon's substance is far less interesting than the Forward's view that its readers will find it entertaining or clever. Judging from some of the comments below, the Forward knows its audience.
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As long as the liberals are all violently intolerant of any opinion, thought, belief, creed or idolatry then their own, I supposed it's alright. Dear me this cartoon could be in the Iranian press. Kudos.
I an an American born proud Zionist Jew (both parents Jewish). I want Israel AND the Jewish people to thrive and survive. Isn't it amazing that out of 19m Indians in the former Bombay, 9 Jews were singled out at Chabad for extermination, which was carried out successfully? In 1938 Germany's Jewish community of 500,000 was also singled out Is there a connection? In Granada Hills, Cal., a Jewish community center was singled out by a white racist. Is there a connection? I voted for McCain for many reasons, including my concern that Obama didn't vote yes in defining the Revolutionary Guards (Iran). A Hebron protestor said, "We are not Christians, we don't turn th eother cheek". Let me say this, Christians have NEVER TURNED THE OTHER CHEEK. Chabad, to be frank, is a cult. Satmar doesn't support Israel's existence., but for which they too would be singled out. We are stuck with Barack..and will rue the day we gave his campaign money, Florida, New York and California.
Fabulous! Each panel truer than the previous one. I think this is your best one yet, Eli! Of course, the Republicans are waiting in the green room to tell us that this is the end of American support for Israel, accompanied by the frummies, who can't wait to point out what a shander and a chillul HaShem this is, and that Obama is the reincarnation of Hitler, Amalek and Haman all rolled into one. Three, two, one...
e to the v, Lerve the comic. I especially like the Archies' cameo. Though I was always a Betty. erin
I voted against Obama in previous Illinois elections, as well as this one, because of the hate, racism and anti-Semitism from Obama's friend Rev. Wright and the church which Obama attended. Obama did not denounce it or end his ties until political pressures forced him to. Hopefully his presidency will show better judgement than 20 years of staying with Wright. I wonder, do the cartoons seem to be filled with prejudices and stereotypes? Would it be OK if they were drawn by a non-Jew? For the record, I am not Orthodox.
This is a hateful cartoon. It is extremely prejudicial. It is contemptable!
GOP woes start with W. All the smart Republicans are working hard to explain the reason they lost everything.I have read and listened to most of them, and they all say great things. In my opinion, there is only one reason they lost so big. That is George W. Bush. We have had eight years of the worse president in memory, and hopefully we will begin to see better times under President Barack Obama.
From certain negative, gloating invective posted as responses to a comment I left earlier about how the Forward had published grist for the anti-Semitic caricature mill that dominates much of the world press, I gather that such people 1) are either willfully ignorant of how widely anti-Semitic caricatures circulate or mistakenly believe that they and their children are forever comfortably immune here in the USA from their inevitably bad long-term effects on Jewish life, and 2) believe that it is a thought crime to either be an orthodox Jew ("frum"; which I decidedly am not) or to voice an opinion with reference to a sad lesson in Jewish history which ought best to be remembered, especially in Jewish terms ("sinus hinnom"). Such "frummies" as may publish derogatory caricatures of their fellow Jews (not that I've ever seen any) are equally as guilty of the baseless hatred that is at the core of this decidedly un-funny cartoonist's outlook, but that is all the more reason for those who claim the moral high ground to better themselves and the life of their fellow Jews by not engaging in such sneering sarcasm (another no-no we all swear off every Yom Kippur.)
What goes around comes around. The nasty caricatures used by this one Jew to illustrate his contempt for Jewish supporters of John McCain will soon be added to the stock of anti-Semitic caricatures used all over the world by officially-sanctioned media. Not that our 'see no evil' liberal press will tell us about it when it happens, any more than they worry about Obama's opening to Syria, which is a place which sponsors terrorism and where anti-Semitic caricatures appear every day in the press and online. Would Mr. Valley have gotten published in the Forward if, for example, he had portrayed Jews as doomed for the same kind of baseless hatred among themselves (sinus hinnom) now as led to the destruction of the last Temple?
DK, it's only loshon hara when it's directed against other frum Jews.
Did I call this or what? Do you proud conservatives even try to understand the nuanced meanings - or is shooting from the hip the only thing you're good at?
"The nasty caricatures used by this one Jew to illustrate his contempt for Jewish supporters of John McCain will soon be added to the stock of anti-Semitic caricatures used all over the world by officially-sanctioned media." And what of the nasty caricatures depicted by the frummies of their liberal co-religionists and of our president-elect? Those are okay, right?
Ted Gruen, the warning against sinas chinum may actually be referencing excessive hatred-- or perhaps, contempt-of gentiles, and be a stealth attack at both the Zealots and the radical and tyrannical Hasmoneans, who destroyed the checks and balance system. I realize this phrase is often considered a call for Jewish unity and such, but if we look at the context of the 2nd Israelite commonwealth, there was a lot of excessive rebellion, or at least, excessive aspects to rebellion, including forced conversions, an unnecessary invitation for Rome to come in and replace the Greek base, and the devastating Bar Kochba rebellion, which no less than Rabbi Akiva endorsed. More pertinent, it appears that perhaps it his followers died in the rebellion. And this may be eluded to by the claim that they died from a plague. The plague of sinas chinum was an unrealistic anger at the colonial power -- not towards each other. This is also eluded to in the Hagaddah, when Rabbi Akiva did not realize it was time for the morning shema. Why did he not know it was morning? Because he and others were in hiding form the Roman authorities. I would note that the sages condemned all the activities I just listed.
Ted Gruen, the warning against sinas chinum may actually be referencing excessive hatred-- or perhaps, contempt-of gentiles, and be a stealth attack at both the Zealots and the radical and tyrannical Hasmoneans, who destroyed the checks and balance system. I realize this phrase is often considered a call for Jewish unity and such, but if we look at the context of the 2nd Israelite commonwealth, there was a lot of excessive rebellion, or at least, excessive aspects to rebellion, including forced conversions, an unnecessary invitation for Rome to come in and replace the Greek base, and the devastating Bar Kochba rebellion, which no less than Rabbi Akiva endorsed. More pertinent, it appears that perhaps it his followers died in the rebellion. And this may be eluded to by the claim that they died from a plague. The plague of sinas chinum was an unrealistic anger at the colonial power -- not towards each other. This is also eluded to in the Hagaddah, when Rabbi Akiva did not realize it was time for the morning shema. Why did he not know it was morning? Because he and others were in hiding form the Roman authorities. I would note that the sages condemned all the activities I just listed.
From Jonathan Tobin's newly minted article in the Forward: "In a post-election Internet posting, M.J. Rosenberg of the Israel Policy Forum neatly summed up the sentiments of the Jewish left. Responding to rattlings on the Web that Rahm Emanuel, President-elect Barack Obama’s future chief of staff, might be, as Rosenberg put it, “an AIPAC stooge, Likudnik, or whatever,” the IPF’s director of policy analysis set them straight. Emanuel, Rosenberg wrote, is no right-winger. More to the point, Rosenberg eagerly predicted that Emanuel would “be the one encouraging Obama to go for an Israeli-Palestinian deal the first year. And, when the rightwing Jews complain, he’ll tell them to stick it up their ass.” Yeah, let's have guys like Rosenberg lead the Jewish community----not.
I suspect that the apparent unanimity of the pro-choice position on abortion among non-Orthodox Jews is due to pro-lifers either converting out or becoming Orthodox. IMHO, converting out is a very bad option. Mainstream Protestantism is almost as lock-step as non-Orthodox Judaism, evangelical Protestantism frequently includes Biblical literalism (it's hard for a pro-lifer to believe in a literal interpretation of Exodus 21:22-25), and the Roman Catholic Church recommends "Natural Family Planning" (also known as the "rhythm method") which might work by killing embryos. Clearly, "fetus fanatics" should look for a religion that opposes the rhythm method, for example, Judaism. If Jews who converted out all came back, the political demographics would look much different.
The cartoon's substance is far less interesting than the Forward's view that its readers will find it entertaining or clever. Judging from some of the comments below, the Forward knows its audience.
The Forward welcomes reader comments in order to promote thoughtful discussion on issues of importance to the Jewish community. In the interest of maintaining a civil forum, the Forward requires that all commenters be appropriately respectful toward our writers, other commenters and the subjects of the articles. Vigorous debate and reasoned critique are welcome; name-calling and personal invective are not. While we generally do not seek to edit or actively moderate comments, the Forward reserves the right to remove comments for any reason.